This site was made with the intent to share posts and proof on Loki being labeled as both bi and pan, and why I support and believe Loki is still canon bi/pan in marvel. As well to show Loki wasn't really labeled as pan out of biphobic reasons.
I hope you actually take a moment to read through this all, see everything, and hopefully, you get some clarity too on the situation. For it's honestly one that has been filled with lies or misinformation, that I just recently became aware of the truth on this all.
In case this needs to be stated, I am both bi and pan, so I feel I am allowed to speak about this matter.
Also I will say this now before proceeding on, since this needs to be said and reminded:
A character being labeled both bi and pan isn't being biphobic. A character can have more than one label. Like with a person irl, people and characters can have multiple labels and still be valid. The labels are still valid/canon and neither are superior than the other. No matter which was said first, or last, both and all labels for the character are valid and important as any other lgbt+ label. Bi/Pan characters, and irl people are valid, and that's final.
Firstly, Loki is bi/pan and he wasn't labeled pan out of biphobic reasons as people been stating or wanting to believe.
It took someone to dive into this situation again, and give a more well put out description on this tiring situation, to get me to see this has been a matter of lies or words being misinterpreted/misunderstood.
Note, this isn't a means to defend Mackenzi Lee, the author for Loki: Where Mischief Lies, honestly I don't like her at all. But just cause she's a terrible person, doesn't mean Loki being labeled as pan by her, make it automatically not valid or canon in the marvel universe anymore. Like with Kate Herron, the director of Loki being a terrible person now too. That doesn't mean Loki being labeled as bi by her now, as now not valid/canon in the mcu because of her actions. Loki is still valid/canon as bi, and still valid/canon as pan. No matter if his writers/directors/etc are not great people in the end. Period.
Now with these out of the way. I will post some screenshots of a post that explain the M. Lee reply about why Loki was labeled as pan. That people always love to bring up or share to state as fact/proof 'Loki was labeled as pan out of biphobic reasons', when actually, that's not true.
screenshots are from posi-pan on tumblr, who I thank for talking about this issue again, and clearing things up for us.
Note: I will update this or add on to it in time when needed.
Links to everything linked on these screenshots, and source link to the post of these screenshots:
-M. Lee response about Loki being labeled as Pan
-Blog post about M. Lee
-Source Link to post of these screenshots
Screenshot of the original question to Lee, and her response:
Second and third stuff to back up my reasons I call and support Loki being bi/pan.
Tom Hiddleston has called Loki Pan:
Kate Herron also acknowledged Loki being written as Pan in a interview with Thrillist Entertainment:
source link to article about Loki being called both bi and pan by Kate Herron
Update 9/13/21:
After the recent rise of panphobia lately online this month. I was put into some deep thoughts again over Loki's identity in not just marvel comics, but the mcu too.
And have realized, Loki isn't just bi/pan in the comics, but in the mcu too. While people kept trying to say he's only bi in the mcu.
I'm sure you're saying 'no' to this, because you are gonna say "well Kate said Loki is bi, she confirmed it in her tweet!". Yes. She called Loki bi in her tweet, but even time before that, if you look back on what Tom said, he called Loki pan too, and acknowledged him as bi too later on.
We know when Tom talks about Loki, he mainly is thinking of his Loki, mcu Loki, so when he called Loki pan, he was talking about mcu Loki too, along with comic Loki. Meaning, Tom called Loki both pan and bi, so he's bi/pan. And since we knocked out the lies when it comes to Lee's reasons for labeling Loki as pan in her book. Tom calling Loki pan back then, really wasn't wrong at all. He was just carrying on the information that canon, Loki is pan too, along with bi.
As well, his words on Loki's sexuality does have as much power and say as a writer, director, etc. Why and how you wonder?
I will mention Lucifer Morningstar actor, Tom Ellis, from the show Lucifer. As a good example of this.
Lucifer was first called Pan by his writers, then was called/acknowledged bi by his actor Tom later on, and then after that, bi was only seen as true canon label for Lucifer. Though in the end, Lucifer is bi/pan, no label is truer or superior than the other.
If people can see Tom Ellis words as canon when he labeled Lucifer as bi than pan. Then why can't it be any same for Tom calling Loki pan instead of bi?
The clear answer is just panphobia, but people don't want to see that or admit that. But it's pretty clear now at this point.
I will bet you will be asking now too "Well if that's true, then why didn't Kate call Loki pan too in the tweet?"
She literally answers it for you in her tweet actually, if you just look at it.
"It was very important to me, and my goal, to acknowledge Loki was bisexual. It is a part of who he is and who I am too."
She only mentioned bi in the tweet because that is who she is too. She's bi. It's understandable she just wanted to acknowledge bi only because she's bi herself too. This is usually the case with plenty of writers/actors/etc who label a character the sexuality who they are. For self validation, rep, etc.
But we need to understand, just cause she said here Loki is bi, doesn't erase the fact Loki is pan too. Which was stated by Tom Hiddleston awhile back.
Else, she wouldn't have acknowledged Loki is being written as pan too in her interview with Thrillist.
Also that interview with Thrillist by the way, she did in fact share it on her account I have learned.
So in the end of the day, Loki in both marvel comics and the mcu, is bi/pan.
This doesn't mean you have to now call Loki bi/pan if that is what is bothering you. You can just keep calling him bi if you personally want. But you need to understand, he's pan too.
So the constant harassment against people calling Loki pan or bi/pan, needs to stop. Because Loki is bi/pan and he's valid for who he is. As well pan and bi/pan people are valid too, no matter how hard many try to say otherwise.
I'll close this update for now with what Tom said about Loki to a interviewer at the Premiere of Thor: The Dark World in 2013. When it came to Loki's identity:
Tried my best to write out the dialogue for anyone who needs it. Apologies on any mistakes, I just did the best I could for now.
Interviewer:
"Al Ewing has recently announced that he's doing a Loki comic that is just about Loki and his things. And he announced now that Loki is actually bisexual."
Tom Hiddleston:
"Yeah, I heard that."
Interviewer:
"How was your reaction to that?"
Tom Hiddleston:
"I think it's great. I think...Loki's a shapeshifter I guess, and it also means he can be...that everybody can empathize with them, you know. It means that he's a...That's there's no box he fits into and it means he appeals to everybody. I think the more that happens in life, the better."
Update 1/10/22:
Something I failed to add before that I am adding now.
It has been stated that under Kieron Gillen writing term of Young Avengers (Vol 2).
Which released in Jan 23, 2013 and ended on Jan 8, 2014.
Loki was written as bi/pan.
This is years before Loki: Where Mischief Lies released, which came out in 2019.
